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Perils of a Carbon Tax

March 25, 2012


Australians have looked after the environment for decades, there is very little we won’t do in order to preserve even the smallest piece of land just to make sure some old rat or bandicoot gets to have a home, we have been known to stop even the largest of projects (the Franklin River dam being just one example) in order to give nature a chance but when we say “enough is enough” then people better learn to listen, we won’t stand for those who go too far in looking after nature at the expense of what we believe are common sense issues.

Julia Gillard promised us there would be no carbon tax, this was fair enough as anybody who has any sort of common sense would tell you it will do no good adding a tax to coal consumption (in order to force coal companies to stop burning coal) when in fact all they’re then going to do is to pass on the costs of the new tax to the consumers. It should have been obvious to one and all that should such a tax ever be introduced then the only losers would have to be the poor Aussie battler families who could least afford it, but no, did Julia listen? no she didn’t. She didn’t give a hoot about our economic necessities and proved it when in order to retain political power she went against her promise and introduced the tax anyway … right after she lied to us by telling us she wouldn’t do it.

Nobody believed us when we told her we’d pay her back for it but the complete and utter annihilation of the Labor Party in the Queensland elections should be more than enough proof that Australians always keep their word. The environment might be important, as are so many other issues, but we Aussies will not stand for any political party that will place the needs of overseas/corporate or even political interests ahead of what we in our country wish to have.

DESTROYED! that is the only word that can be used when describing the complete and utter humiliation of what can only be seen as the worst electoral outcome ever suffered by a party in power in Australia’s history, the Queensland Labor Party has suffered such a horrendous defeat at the polls that it is now expected they will be out of power for at least a generation … not long enough, I say.

We want a clean country and a clean world but we also want it done in a manner that serves the interests of the people, not just by filling the coffers of the treasury with the profits from an unwanted and useless tax. See you at the next Federal Elections, Julia … I’m sure you know which way I’ll be voting.

Oh, and one more thing … those back room party boys, you know, the ones who wielded the axe Julia used to chop off Kevin Rudd’s political neck, just you watch how we get rid of them too … Aussies elect their own leaders, not some idiot in the pay of corporations … watch us remove them as well … one by one.

15 Comments leave one →
  1. March 25, 2012 10:26 pm

    Actually, one of the things that I do as a climate activist is lobby hard for a price on carbon, specifically a fee & dividend mechanism. It’s time to price carbon pollution, and a carbon fee at the source is a much more effective approach than cap & trade, which puts the health of our planet into the hands of the “whiz kids” on Wall Street who engineered the crash. The health of our climate isn’t a commodity which should be exposed to market mechanisms (and shenanigans).
    I know the Australia carbon tax isn’t a straight fee & div (the dividend part is that the monies collected go back to households, to help them adjust to the inevitable price increases). Citizens Climate Lobby has an excellent resource about carbon pricing, “Building a Green Economy”, and it can be accessed as a pdf here:
    Also, University of BC Prof Shi-Ling Hsu wrote an excellent book “The Case for a Carbon Tax”.
    We need to stop polluting our atmosphere NOW, and carbon pricing via fee & div is the most straightforward way to start. “Building A Green Economy” addresses your concerns re: uneven distribution of the tax, and shows that if correctly applied the unfairness is negligible. Also, the province of BC has had a carbon tax for several years, and has re-elected the Liberal govt that introduced it, so don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Climate activists in North America are thrilled with what Julia Gillard has done, and hold it up as an example of the right approach to this crisis.
    We’re all going to pay for the climate crisis – don’t think the “little guy” will be spared by natural disasters and food shortages. Better to pay now to take action than to wait for those effects to get worse.

    • March 25, 2012 10:44 pm

      I agree with the tax in principle, what myself and no other Australian ever agreed with is that the corporations taxed were told they’d be allowed to pass on the costs to the consumers, in other words .. the price of energy shot up by 30% and then we were told it would continue to go up by 30% for the next 5 years.

      It is an intolerable situation for those who are struggling to make ends meet, it’s already sending thousands of Aussies broke and the tax hasn’t even been implemented yet.

      Meanwhile the 30% hike in prices does in no way affect the rich ones, they just keep on burning lights, heating their swimming pools and flying their big jets, good luck to them for being so rich but making the little guys pay for everything is monstrous.

      The only way to have such a tax is by having the corporations absorb it as a loss, to allow them to pass it on to consumers is criminal, otherwise lets make the tax be placed as a percentage of energy spent, then it would really be a fair tax and many of us here would accept it.

      I assure you, as it is, the Carbon Tax in Australia has been contrived to incur no expense whatsoever on the companies burning the coal, it hasn’t even worried them, they have actually began selling more and more coal leases to the Chinese and the Indians because the tax on the coal that is mined here and sold to be burned over there … does not apply to them in any way shape or form.

      So we, as a country with only 23 million people get to put more money in the corporate pocket for what little we use while over 2 1/2 Billion people in Asia get to burn coal from exactly the same source without paying the tax …

      It was a sad day when Gillard (The Rudd Killer) backstabbed her way into power 😦

    • March 25, 2012 10:48 pm

      Ooh, and I forgot …. “cap & trade, which puts the health of our planet into the hands of the β€œwhiz kids” on Wall Street who engineered the crash.”

      Our tax is only the way it is for just a few years, then it goes on the free market ..Cap & Trade!!!

      We all got conned!! 😦

  2. March 26, 2012 12:00 am

    And while I wrote all of the above India has in the meantime decided to “reject” any ideas of a carbon tax and since China and Russia have already joined them on the boycott then that leaves Australians paying a tax that will do nothing whatsoever to limit CO2 reductions, one day’s burning from the Chinese, Indian and Russian power plants completely negates any of our efforts for the last few decades, to them we are nothing more than the equivalent of a small suburb in one of their cities.

  3. Martin Lack permalink
    March 26, 2012 12:40 am

    I agree with Chrsitine (Hansen) – Fee and Dividend is the way forward… The only trouble with this is that no government in the World will ever bring such a system in unless and until politics is freed from the influence of big business.

    I also agree with you that Australians were conned – the pig you have been sold will one day turn into ETS and you will have achieved nothing.

    Unfortunately for all of us, burning carbon should be prohibitively expensive. But big business must also invest heavily in the alternatives – otherwise we will have no choice but to throw our money on the fire.

    • March 26, 2012 1:03 am

      Exactly, so why not do what we Aussies have been asking for years?

      “Tax the coal before it comes out of the ground” … force those who mine it to pay for it big time and stop them “Legally” from passing on the costs to the consumer, they either absorb the cost and produce less profits for their shareholders or they can get stuffed, then sooner or later they will have to see the sense in moving on to other sources of energy which do not pay a similar tax.

      Kevin Rudd was going to do it, he was going to implement a 40% tax on the companies but they in turn applied pressure to the back-room numbers boys in our political parties and they had Ruddie removed from office ..

      It was treason, I tell you, we just didn’t have enough ropes or trees to hang them all, there were too many of them, they ganged up on us overnight and before we knew it the ostrich had pulled her head out of Kevin’s backside and pushed him out the door 😦

  4. March 26, 2012 10:42 pm

    You deluded clowns really believe that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) really has anything to do with the environment? Why don’t you start pushing the real environment killers eg heavy metals, noxious gases and waste chemicals that are poured into our waterways and ground. CO2 is good for plant life and can increase crop yields. Optimum CO2 levels should be around the 700-1000ppm levels. Do any of you know what the average levels of CO2 is in the atmosphere of an ordinary everyday office? Probably not but you are looking at 2000-3000 ppm. Submarines anyone?

    Stop believing that you are saving anything – you aren’t. This whole CAGW is a scam of scams all designed for politicians to steal money from the citizens. The Greens are out to send us back to the stone age. What benefits do you think your children’s children will get by living back in tribal communities burning trees for warmth because of the greens.

    Get back to the real world and stop being deluded by your Saviour Complexes.

    • Martin Lack permalink
      March 27, 2012 12:21 am

      Steve, If you want to be taken seriously, please cross check anything you might otherwise be tempted to waste your energy typing against historical records, observed reality, and/or basic economics.

      Overlooking your apparent inability to differentiate between a statement and a question in the meaninglessness of your opening sentence, I feel you have a great deal to learn about the ways in which business has denied its responsibility for a whole series of environmental and/or medical problems in the last half century: The latest in the UK being the attempts of the drinks industry to deny its responsibility for causing a rapid increase in the numbers of premature deaths from cirrhosis of the liver in the last 10 years…

      Having spent much of the last 20 years trying to clean up the mess left behind by all kinds of irresponsible human behaviour, the last thing I want to be told by some scientifically-illiterate twat is that CO2 is plant food. Do you think that would have made the crew of Apollo 13 feel any better about their prognosis for their return journey from the Moon? I suppose you think it is OK to chop down and burn the rain forests too? To hell with the fact that doing so endangers biodiversity, adds extra CO2 to the atmosphere, and reduces further the Earth’s ability to recycle the waste product of fossil fuel combustion….

      With fools like you around, I think we shall indeed need divine intervention to get us out of the environmental mess into which we dig ourselves ever deeper simply be failing to admit we have been stubbornly refusing to accept the nature of reality for so long.

      Rather than trying to save the World from being deluded by a supposed new religion, you need to get in touch with your inner mentality and engage with reality.

  5. March 26, 2012 10:54 pm

    Thank God you turned up, Steve B, the world would never have known what to do without your expert scientific opinion, what’s your specialty I mean, what is your field, Chemistry, Physics or is it perhaps Planetary Geology with a masters in Gaseous atmospheric escapology?

    Tell us all about yourself, go on, don’t be shy now πŸ™‚

    • March 26, 2012 11:30 pm

      But just to show you that I’m not exactly dumb myself, humans can indeed absorb quite a bit of CO2, perhaps as high as 7000 ppm before they become nauseous and so on, but have you ever allowed your docile brain enough leeway to understand that not all vertebrates on this planet can absorb so much?

      What about an invertebrate who breathes oxygen through osmosis and releases its CO2 through its skin? some even poop it out. Take one of your family members as an example, a simple worm … since the respiratory process for worms is a passive one, if the CO2 levels in the environment get too high, then worms would not be able to pass their CO2 through their skin, It would then become quite toxic to them. ever thought of that?

      And you can imagine what would happen to the environment if worms ceased to exist? I mean you have thought of such things, haven’t yah?

      I mean … you do understand how the metabolism of your own cousins works, don’t yah, you docile drongo, or are you that stupid that you believe CO2 only applies to humans? 😦

      What about a “Bee”? ever bothered to find out what their CO2 intake is? or perhaps that of a fly, a mosquito or maybe even the CO2 of that most precious of all things, certainly one of your other cousins, the humble slug?

      Seriously, how can you call me a clown when you just proved that you yourself are little more than a dork? Now, stop being so up yourself and come back for an education any time you wish πŸ™‚

      • March 27, 2012 12:49 am

        I also offer you this link, who knows, could stop you getting brain damage in your own office

      • Martin Lack permalink
        March 27, 2012 1:01 am

        Donald, the UK is now GMT+1 but, judging by the time stamp on your latest comment you (or your PC or your WP account) is/are still 10 hours ahead. If I am not mistaken, this means you must have not put your clocks back 1 hour for the winter months. If so, when will this happen?

      • March 27, 2012 1:09 am

        I’ve been wondering for three days now why my time stamp didn’t look quite right, thanks to your comment I went and checked and it turns out my computer did not synchronize with as it should have, not only that, it was one hour slow … no idea why. I’ve reset it by hand, should be ok now.

        Checking even further we’re not supposed to reset our clocks until the 30th of this month.

        Right now it is 01:10 am AEST

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